Over the past few years I have steadily been building up to producing and throwing events. From the very first rave I went to back in Arizona I knew that life was calling me there for a reason, to help develope culture and take part in memetically engineering the future of humanity. Since moving here to OK I have steadily faced obsticles in this starting with my origional partner going to jail, followed by the realization that none of the existing 'promoters' in town want to do anything remotely related to my vision. But through it I have pushed on, built a core group of individuals around me, and produced three events, each one being successful(i.e. every one had alot of fun, there were no complaints and no drama).
This past summer I've avoided investing in throwing parties and chose to travel instead, Texas, Illinois, Arkansas, and in a couple weeks california, and during those travels I found the Psy-scene. At first the music terrified me(my first psy party was touted as being one of the darkest) but quickly my mind adjusted to the new sound and I found that I love it. It's perfect for developing my musical vision...
Yesterday I helped a family friend move into a warehouse and worked out a deal to use it for a party in a couple months. This will be my biggest production yet, and logistically things are sound. But i want to help open Tulsa to Psy. Everybody here is steeped in dnb, and house, with a little enclave of electro kids to boot, and the DJ's think I'm crazy for wanting to play psy from 3 am- 6am. What suggestions and advice do you have for me?
Thanks in advance,
-Allen
This past summer I've avoided investing in throwing parties and chose to travel instead, Texas, Illinois, Arkansas, and in a couple weeks california, and during those travels I found the Psy-scene. At first the music terrified me(my first psy party was touted as being one of the darkest) but quickly my mind adjusted to the new sound and I found that I love it. It's perfect for developing my musical vision...
Yesterday I helped a family friend move into a warehouse and worked out a deal to use it for a party in a couple months. This will be my biggest production yet, and logistically things are sound. But i want to help open Tulsa to Psy. Everybody here is steeped in dnb, and house, with a little enclave of electro kids to boot, and the DJ's think I'm crazy for wanting to play psy from 3 am- 6am. What suggestions and advice do you have for me?
Thanks in advance,
-Allen
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Mon, August 6, 2007 - 7:33 PMBring in out-of-state DJs. Doesn't matter if they're good, they just need to be outta state and people will come cause they're sheep like that. I guess that's a bit demeaning, but I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. Sad...very sad, but true. It also helps if this/these outta state DJ(s) come from a metropolis. Typical folks interpret that as meaning the DJ is really good and on the cutting edge. -
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Wed, August 8, 2007 - 11:04 PMscott, id hate to go to any parties you throw man. thats horrible advice.
quality really matters, and to draw a big crowd, get the underrated regionals thatll come for very cheap as most of your local scene will know them and appreciate them more than some overrated, expensive superstar. also, its wise to pick people that will bring an adventurous attitude, heavy energy and a compelling vibe that will help make the party more fun :) -
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Fri, August 10, 2007 - 10:06 PMChris: I was joking!!! If you knew me, you'd know that.
That's NOT how I would do it. But people do it, and it works.
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Fri, August 10, 2007 - 10:08 PMBut I was serious too ;-) -
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Fri, August 10, 2007 - 11:28 PMActually a good balance of the two works. I mean unless your booking GMS, Infected Mushroom, or Simon Posford; nobody really knows for sure who some regional favorite from another part of the country is. Sure, there's a good deal of people who produce and have had releases (but that's not much these days in the psytrance community). Don't discredit your local following, book headliners that you can afford. Download regional dj's/producers mixes and tracks. If you like their sound, book them. -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 3:13 PMI've been going out alot this past summer and checking out different regional and national acts. I think my line is is ok for now, people in tulsa are gonna come just because my house parties are always great and this is the first warehouse in a long time(think years) The location is great and I ahve alot of ideas as far as deco is concerned. I'm gonna be using an office block which is great because the partitions will make a smaller party feel very full and intimate. 50 people in this space will make a good party, 100 will be a full on rage. I'm using alot of local guys for the non psy genres just to get people in the door. I wanna go straight from drum and bass into dark fast psy in the hopes that nobody will notice when it happens, and that by the end of the night people here will recognize that psy isn't the same boring trance that their use too.
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Mon, August 6, 2007 - 7:50 PMTell them nothing, show them... Take them to a full on all psy party. =)
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Thu, August 9, 2007 - 6:40 AMI would briong in more progressive psy and psybreaks styles for that scene to weed them into it. The biggest thing is a great location. Once you have that get lots of black light art. Doesn't need to be super fancy banners or anything. You heard stuff at the deco symposium that may give you ideas for cheap stuff. Feel free to ask me questions, I am sure people here and on the chilluminati forums would be happy to help too. -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 3:18 PMI didn't make it to the deco symposium, but that doesn't matter, because all one has to do is have a some what intuitive and creative mind, and take the ideas one sees else where and make them ones own. Crazy strings day glow fabric and lots of black lights. Symbolism is a key factor here, which is in my favor because my memetic speacialty is symbolic creation.. I just got out of an important phone call and it looks like I have a partner in this party:) The you go, like a universal back slap. I should have a partial line up with the headliners listed by next week end, I'll post it up here. Thanks for the support! -
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Sun, August 12, 2007 - 6:23 PMLook for Mass Abduction records from Mexico... there's a few members that live in Arizona, I think even in Tuscon as well...
here's a link... www.massabduction.com/
They would be good people to talk to as well as looking to getting some artists from the west coast that would want to come down just to do it... The biggest difficulty you'll run across getting out of state talent is getting their transportation taken care of. That's why I recommended the mass abduction djs. Also sometime next year, I'm planning a spring tour across the country in preparation of my second album release. Depending on where all I line up, it might be really easy for me to swing through and lend my dj services. But that's a bit of a ways away, so it's best to start locally and see who might be psy djs... I know that there's quite a few djs in Arizona and New Mexico, as well as in Southern California that might be interested in coming to "virgin" territory. :) -
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 9:31 PMWhich would be great if I wasn't living in Tulsa! :P
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 9:35 PMWait maybe I miss read that, sorry:/ Right now I've got somebody from Austin coming in, another guy from Vegas contacted me and sent me a demo cd that I like he's coming up for bus tickets. We're bringing up Dead PA from Houston but thats my buddies deal. This party will be an interesting mix of drum and bass and psy. Hehe, it will be really interesting to see what happens when everybody gets there and hears the music they know only to be bowled over by some wild ass shit beyond what they've heard before. It's like somebody said during the production workshop, drag them in with something familiar, then confuse them with something new... Now they're read to be injected with ideas muwahahahahaha! -
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 2:58 PMNo. you're right. I misread it... in that case, when are you talking about doing the event?
I'm in Milwaukee, but i'm doing a little east-coast mini tour in October. Perhaps I could swing through on the way or on the way back... -
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Thu, August 16, 2007 - 12:35 PM^^ this guy is the shit! believe me, youd want him to swing by!
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Fri, August 17, 2007 - 4:42 PMI would want him to swing by. I'm in Tulsa, OK, kind of far from Tulsa. Right now its looking like the lineup will be Force Majuere, Twisted D, and I/O Visual and maybe a couple guys from the Esoteric Gen crew in AR, but I won't know about that till my partner gets back from Shpongle. We're actively looking for a good but cheap drum and bass headliner as well(any ideas?), DnB is the only way to get kids out in this town. So that being said unless something wacky happens between now and then we're at the end of the budget.
This one should go well, the venue is very old school renegade style indoorsy warehouse type place. Has power, water, and is conveniently located in the ghetto for minimal police interferance(they've got alot bigger problems to deal with).
We've also got something on the back burner for later in the year, but we gotta see how this one turns out before we start getting to deep into the next one. We can definitly count on a T-town mubali mania sometime in the not so distant future... ;-) -
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Sat, August 18, 2007 - 11:56 AM^^ you want some esoteric boys? Shagee, Goaneck, Freedom and Fatty Acid would be great choice! -
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Thu, October 11, 2007 - 8:02 PMSounds like you really like the music! But be fair in your presentation since most people will have there own opinions . Why not present all of the splendor that this genes has. since your scene is new you don't want to scare any possible people into forming there own conclusion of what psyculture is. It has been here for a while and growing thanks to people like you which is great. Have a more humble approach as apposed to shovin the culture down thier throats. I was just talking to my friend spyros about that today, how we(the promoters) have to be accountable for our actions. We often decide for the people what they will be expieriencing as a culture we call our own. So with that being said let the people decide what way they like thier culture presented. Over time you'll see the result and then based on that conclusion can you decide who to book. A thing we did was my friend tWyse opened an all psy record store. They gave people a place to decide ok thier own what artist they like. We also used it as a place to sale presales if other psy parties in the LA area. It was also a great way to meet up and coming djs.
As for deco there is no rule that says you have to do blacklights. Just do what inspires your vision. Be original.good luck and happy trails! -
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Fri, October 12, 2007 - 5:16 PMGood words for anyone of any scene/genre. Not bad for everyday application either. -
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Sun, October 21, 2007 - 8:53 PMwhatsup man
tulsa, and oklahoma as a whole, is a tough place to pull off intentional dance parties....odd crowd to promote trance-dancing to
I live in Fayetteville, Arkansas, 2 hours east of Tulsa. I know a few psy-fans in and around Tulsa, but no musicians. Have you met Bruce aka DJ Evolve? Hes a good guy and has been helping out here with Esoteric Generation for years,he lives in Broken Arrow and plays some pretty psychodelik breakbeats. And as far as psy talent goes, you've got Esoteric Gen just over the hills, and many of us here at Esoteric Generation would be up to come out for probly just gas money if you need good experienced psychedelic trance dj's (all of us have been playing for at least 5 years, with some prettttttttty wild shit under our belt) that are local and know how to work ANY crowd, from the naked dreadie to the beaded teenie bopper. Did you come to Goa Gil?
Good luck in Tulsa. Consider moving to Arkansas though, we need all the good people we can get to help keep making each summer better. (hard to top AUM, Shpongle/Hallucinogen, and Goa Gil in one season, but we're not trying to "top" that either....just dance more)
We have our own tribe ( tribe.net/esotericgen) if you want to holler at us. Also, hit up the midwest burning man crew -
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 9:38 PMYeah, bruce was my going to be my partner in this mess. We ended up getting fucked by the venue owner a week before the show and we lost a bunch of money. I did make it to Gil how ever, it was pretty sick. I'm right with you there on bring in the hippies and such, I want to do that but now it grows cold. I've thought alot about arkansas over the past few months, but at the moment I feel that I am more needed here. How ever it will be good having you guys next door, after gil I already feel like it's my new home away from home.
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Wed, October 24, 2007 - 6:37 AMGet a contract. If they sign saying that if they back out they have to pay all your pre-event costs that usually gets 'em to keep from breaching the agreement.
Always get it in writing.
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Wed, October 24, 2007 - 11:40 PMoh hey whatsup man
I met you @ Gil...i recognize the pic
I'm Jarryd, I threw that party. You were the dude getting everyone plastered on Friday night right:?
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Thu, October 25, 2007 - 6:01 PMyeah lols. We was sipply diplin on that merlot wasn't we! YeehaW!
-Allen
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 1:06 PMHey Fatty Acid F!!!
I've been touch-and-go with you guys in Fayetteville for months. I have family in Fayetteville, AR and always in need of an excuse to travel. Sorta developing a psy-scene here in Vegas myself (not to mention other projects). Anyway, hit me up.
Namaste-
Twisted DUO
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Sun, October 21, 2007 - 9:29 PMMy advice is to not limit your focus to the rave/electronic music scene. Even with their love of EDM, ravers aren't necessarily more receptive to psy than anyone else. The people you should be looking for are HEADS: this includes ravers, but also old hippies, neo-hippy jam kids, burners, goths, pagans, artists, performers, wacky psychonauts, eccentric freaks, local buddies who may not have ever danced to EDM before etc. etc. One of the reasons Esoteric Gen's Spectra Inertia parties are so legendary to me is that the dancefloor was full of a whole mess of weirdos. It was fucking fantastic! :D
It's cool to know that you're building up the psy in Oklahoma! Hope to see you out at some more of the regional parties in the future!
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Mon, October 29, 2007 - 9:19 AMive got to disagree with Zay there. Your starting something new, you need to be able to tap and convert current edm heads. Mubali along with myself and another friend built a small psy scene in the town we grew up in. This place had very little edm to begin with, and what was there was house.
You need to slowly introduce people to the sound. First by doing mix genre events, with maybe only one or 2 psy djs at a peak point. Also at first have psy djs that play accessable sounds play. Dont just though the hardest, most intense music at them, ease your crowd into it.
I would suggest having a progressive psy dj play after a popular local house dj, and then having a harder full on psy dj play after the prog one.
Later on a show or 2 later you can add a harder darker psy dj after a jungle dj, but ease folks into it. Dont shock em, dont scare em away.....
Then though getting quality over a name value is important, people in mass are sheeple. In the begining, i think to get numbers you are better served by bringing in acts, that have a record label after their name, and do hail from a metro area (NYC or SF is your best bet, just given the conotations assoicated with their edm scenes) There is plenty of top notch tallent from these places, that will do the show just for tranportation, just do you homework first. You gotta think avergage Joe-blow raver, doesnt know the difference from Dr. Spook to Aktif or Collision (all known names in their own right) but in in picking up a flyer, a dj thats from San Francisco is going to get more attention from the general pop, than a dj from Iowa.
Once youve done a few mixed shows, and people know what to expect, you can get more daring, start bringing in more regionals and locals, start getting more daring with the music, start weaning out the other edm genres.........
Or, you can focus on just psy, and similar associated styles, and tell the general edm scene to take a hike. Have a good enough party, and bring enough people psy heads will want to see, and the trancers will travel. Your in OK, which is well situated, you can pull from Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri. In playing the numbers and money game, this route is probably more risky, but in terms of being more rewarding and vibe oriented this is probably the winner.
Personally, id would start with the mix genre stuff, that way even if only a dozen or so folks, you can get a core group of locals, and have a base of friends and crew to work with. Do 3 or 4 mixed genre shows, and then shift direction towards the more psy heavy events....
p.s. Tulsa is only 3.5 hours from me. and though i now live in S.W. Missouri, im orginally from Cali, am attached with 2 record labels, and throw down a mean full on set, as well as some housey progressive, and ethno-dub chill out.
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Wed, October 31, 2007 - 8:31 PMI don't see that we're disagreeing Paradigm. I admit that the backbone of a psy scene will probably be EDM heads. But why limit the focus to just them? Especially, if you're trying to build a core of fanatics! That's all I'm saying!
I have the same philosophy on event content. Why limit yourself to music and lights? You could create an EXPERIENCE with deco art, art installations, performance art, workshops, costumes, make-up, rituals, libations, and all sorts of other participatory opportunities! -
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Sun, November 11, 2007 - 9:06 PMThank you all for the input. I've learned alot in my experience over the passed few months, right now I feel that the next logical step is to get the equipment needed to throw the party, while at the same time working on building the close knit relationships with my friends. We're having fires in my back yard alot, and bringing small groups of people. In the end psy trance is just music, and while the themes associated with it are a bit more enlightened than the sex drugs and techno of the general EDM scene, at the core of it is the people who are into it. With the equipment the bonus will be two fold, we will be able to do things our own way, because that takes a huge burden off the budget, and secondly we will be able to help out and back up our friends on all their other musical pursuits as well. Plus at the end, if the party doesn't break even its easy to say, well we just won't pay the sound company this time because the sound company is us.
In the mean time I'm balancing myself and preparing things for next season. A winter of saving and working will be a wonderful break from a summer of spending and moving.
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Mon, December 10, 2007 - 9:43 PMI am a DJ of different genres but psy-trance has been my passion for ten years min. If you get your scene up n running i would be more than glad to help out. Find me on myspace also...myspace.com/paradigmshift909...keep in touch
Rasmus
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 5:06 PMOur crew would love to come out and play!!
You have taken on one of the greatest labors of love...
contact me at our tribe:
tribes.tribe.net/elephanthead
We give our support and blessings
BOOM!